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The Premier League 2011/12

Discussion in 'Sports Forum' started by FreeSpirit, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. FreeSpirit

    FreeSpirit New Member

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    The all new and improved Results Thread for the upcoming season. Only 6 weeks to go now until The Premiership gets underway, and 3 weeks till The SPL gets going :thumbsup
     
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    Jamster26 Well-Known Member Subscriber

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    Cant wait!!! I hate this period in a footballing season! Come on you whites; lets start off with a bang!
     
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  3. Evil Gringo

    Evil Gringo Well-Known Member

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    Watched the Aresnal v Newcastle game yesterday and all I came out of that game thinking was a) Arsenal have lost the ability to pass the ball and b) Joey Barton, what a k**b. So glad the rumour about Man U buying him turned out to be false.
     
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    Cleverly starts for Utd against WBA, as does Welbeck.

    Cheers!
     
  5. John Hancock

    John Hancock Well-Known Member Subscriber Senior Moderator

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    Relatively disappointing start to the season from Chelsea. Shitty refereeing, sure, but that's not enough to excuse not beating Stoke. Drogba didn't look good to me, I'd rather have seen Lukaku getting a chance against such an non-threatening, defensive team, but apparently he's still going through medical. One positive was that Torres looked great, by far the strongest forward on the pitch. I have possibly rose-tinted-ly high expectations of Lukaku and Torres as a striking pair.
     
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    Burakiosaurus Well-Known Member

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    Stoke is a tough place to go and play, their back line is mostly big and powerful and they chase you and shut you down so it's hard to play your own game. It' early days and teams could still sign players by the 1st September
     
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    Magic The first apple tree. Subscriber Forum Leader

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    Highly encouraged by the boys yesterday against Norwich. Already look much better than last season. We actually managed to create chances and I thought we were unlucky not to win. The chances will turn to goals, Moses looked good, and I like Sammon when he came on. Even Di Santo looked more lively than I have ever seen him.

    I think we'll be ok this year, though after yesterday's result at Loftus Road, it wouldn't surprise me if all three promoted teams go down.
     
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    Scrappy win and some worries (De Gea's confidence level, Vidic and Ferdinand picking up knocks) but all in a win is a win. Young is looking so far very much like a United player but we still feel a bit light in the middle of the park.
     
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    Magic The first apple tree. Subscriber Forum Leader

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    Where was Hernandez today Gringo, he injured?
     
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    Evil Gringo Well-Known Member

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    Still recovering from the knock to the head he took over in the US when we were on tour over there. Should be back by next weekend they reckon. I like Welbeck but Javier is just so much more deadlier and his movement is just better
     
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    Magic The first apple tree. Subscriber Forum Leader

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    Yeah I got a bit of a surprise when I seen the team sheet with Welbeck and Cleverley both starting. I really like Cleverley because of the job he did for us, I hope he does well. Welbeck though, is he ever gonna be a Man United regular? I can't see it really. He's a lower half of the top ten striker at best in my opinion, but we'll see I guess.
     
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    Welbeck is the perfect Carling Cup striker, but he's out once Chi returns. It's telling that even then, Berbs has been kept on the bench. I don't think he's going to be around come February. Just a hunch.

    Vidic and Ferdinand getting injured isn't as bad as it sounds. It'll suck for the big games coming up, but it's not like our defensive depth is weak; Smalling and Jones are looking more and more confident, Evans seems to have improved leaps and bounds over last season, and we've got Evra and the Da Silvas to keep the wings occupied. It may end up being the best thing for us as, for all the benefits of Rio and Vidic, they've also been responsible for a couple of our big clangers in big matches too. Wouldn't at all be surprised if Rio is dropped at the end of the season for Jones.

    Our midfield is okay. Cleverley has the potential to really become something fierce if given the opportunity to partner Fletcher (don't bring Carrick back, FFS!) and Anderson is finally actually doing things. And Ashley Young looked great out there. He's really settling.

    To be honest, the only major flaws I saw were de Gea's nerves, Welbeck doing next to nothing, and Nani in his typical post-awesome state of awfulness. Once again, too inconsistent for his own good. He was mostly bollocks, shooting wildly when we probably could have used Valencia to destroy the wide space and cross in for the forwards. I'm really torn between playing Nani and Valencia sometimes, because they're both really good in completely different ways, but Nani is better at destroying defences, but that's only 50% of the time whereas Valencia is really good at controlling the wing 100% of the time, which is 50% more time than we need him to do it.

    In other words, daddy or chips.
     
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    Magic The first apple tree. Subscriber Forum Leader

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    Spot on.

    So do you think he has a future bang in the centre? Or further up in the hole or wide? When we had him he looked to have potential in a more attacking role.

    Edit: Oh as for Rio, you're probably right. I know if I was a Man Utd fan I'd like to see Jones bled in with the idea of being full time next season. Rio has been a good servant, but with injuries his days are certainly numbered.

    But then you have Vidic and Jones in the middle, with the twins at full back, so where do Evans and Smalling fit in? Probably won't be happy just being on the bench, though its a nice problem to have. I see Evans leaving. Of the younger lads, he's the weakest for me.
     
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  14. Evil Gringo

    Evil Gringo Well-Known Member

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    Rafael Da Silva is out with a dislocated shoulder at the moment so Jones, Evra, Fabio, Evans and Smalling is pretty much the backline we have at the moment.

    Fletcher is still out with that weird bug he's got that's affecting his digestion and that is who we need in midfield because of his drive. Carrick is too wishy-washy sometimes and has faded in recent years somehow. I still think Berba needs to go because whilst he was the top scorer in the league last year he scored them all in something like 9 league games, mostly at home and against the relegation threatened teams. Javier and Rooney are the players who when they got going scored at a constant rate and against all sorts of teams as well as in the Champions League, were Berba didn't score once.

    It's a good squad don't get me wrong, but we need another central midfielder and a top line striker to be as potent as we once were. Remember the front line of Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney and Berba a few years back in rotation and how it always found a goal when one was needed? That's what we could get again with the likes of Nani, Hernandez, Rooney, Young, Valencia and one more.
     
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    Magic The first apple tree. Subscriber Forum Leader

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    That's frighteningly good when you take a second to think about. Adding up all the goals the 4 scored last year must come to about 150. (Too lazy to actually do it) :lol:
     
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    The one season they all played with each other (2008-09) they scored 75 goals in all competitions (Ronaldo 26, Rooney 20, Tevez 15 and Berba 14).

    Last season they scored in all competitions between them they scored 113 goals (Ronaldo scored 53 in 54 games, 40 of them in the league, Tevez 23, Rooney 16 and Berba 21 - this was in 9 league games and the Charity Shield, he scored no Carling, FA or European cup goals at all)

    Hell Ronaldo on his own has scored 154 goals in 191 games at club level in the last four seasons, only Messi has that kind of strike rate in the same time span (154 goals as well, in 199 games) but he creates more goals which is why he is the world's best player - well that and he is more naturally gifted in other areas.
     
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    Bloody hell, Arsenal were cack in that second half. However with departures, absentees, suspensions, Wenger's touchline ban, debutants and two hamstring injuries... I'll take that result.

    Cheers!
     
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    They barely held on for the last 30 mins or so. With Fab and Nasri gone, they lack the penetration to split defenses. I would be worried if I was you. This is just the start of the long season and Djourou just limped off within 10 mins of his appearance. Shame, he was, for once, playing well. I fear for you Arsenal, I really do.
     
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    Yeesh, this is going to be a long season.

    I was really surprised to see Nasri start and was actually pretty happy with his effort and commitment. He really tried for us, unlike Arshavin, who was absolutely gash.

    My heart sank when Bendtner came on too. He wants out, we should have given Chamberlain or Miyaichi a go. I can understand Nasri starting because he is exceptional (and yowzers, we're going to miss him), but Big Nick isn't a key player for us.

    There were plenty of positives though. I won't try to spell it, but our goalie was exceptional today. Vermaelen was great, Frimpong had a ropey start but came good until the (deserved) sending off, Jenkinson grew as the game went on; he does look "a bit sh*t" doesn't he, but give the kid credit he stuck to his task and will probably play away at Udinese and Man Utd this week.

    Wasn't really impressed with Liverpool at all though. With all our injuries, departures, suspensions and inexperience on that field today they should have spanked us for 5 by half time. The fact that their first was a tragic own goal and their second was a result of a £23m superstar coming on and taking advantage of tired kids (who are down to 10 men) speaks volumes.

    Cheers!
     
  20. Evil Gringo

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    There just seems to be no fight or depth to this Arsenal side at the moment. Plus even Wenger himself has stated that if he sells Nasri AND Fabregas (and one of those has gone) there is no way he can sell Arsenal as a top club to his bigger targets and given the throphy drought in recent years I agree with him.

    Samba, Cahill or Dann would plug a gap at the back but right now that midfield and forward line is the issue. When RVP gets injured who is going to score? When plan A isn't working who is there to roll up there sleeves and give plan B the old college try? Who is going to control a game and it's tempo in the middle of the park, shut down the other teams engine room and really impose themselves on the bigger teams and bigger players?

    This isn't the Arsenal of old at all, the golden generation have been replaced by bronze standard players at this moment in time, players with talent no doubt and technical skill but no grit, no discipline and no heart to go out there and fight as well as waltz.

    I know it is an almost cliche thing to level at Arsenal now, but the fact is they have lost their biggest driving force, are saddled with some dead weight in important areas and all of their top transfer targets (Benzema, Hazard, Samba, Dann, Cahill, Mata) are no closer to signing now, 11 days before the window closes, as they were when it opened.
     

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