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Has Miami made Daniel Bryan? (WM & Raw spoilers)

Discussion in 'Wrestling Forum' started by Gomi, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. Gomi

    Gomi Member

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    After the entrance of Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania and all crowd signs and "Yes" chants for him, the Miami crowd has made the biggest chant of the night.

    Although it was built for months, the injustice from "that" match with Sheamus left the crowd chanting for heel Daniel Bryan all night and the continued "Yes" chants. These continued through Raw.

    Did the WWE drop the ball at Wrestlemania having Bryan lose so quick, or has the crowd reaction given WWE something to capitalise on with Daniel Bryan.

    Tomorrows Smackdown will be very interesting to see, with it being in Miami again, it is possible that they have turned Bryan into a "cult" character. Lets hope WWE dont pipe in boo´s if he is cheered and let this one grow.

    Although Bryan is currently involved in the interesting heel storyline with AJ, do you think that an edgy face Daniel Bryan with his "Yes" similar to Austins "What" could be the blessing in disguise that launches Bryan as a main event player?
     
  2. Jimmy Redman

    Jimmy Redman New Member

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    I dont think a super smarky crowd chanting for Bryan Danielson is really as big a deal as people are making it out to be. Of course he's over in front of that audience. That doesnt mean he'll be the same kind of over in two weeks time when they're in Hicksville, America.

    He's a great heel at the moment, and is getting genuinely over as a heel despite being (shock horror) popular to smarks. I dont think this is a great sign from heaven to turn him back babyface or push him to the moon.

    To be honest, when he turns babyface again the internet will be awash with people claiming he's lost his character and isnt allowed to do anything and so on and forth, even though he'll remain over to smarks live.

    I also love how people complain incessantly about "WHAT" chants, and now all people seem to want is to encourage "YES" chants as its successor. Have fun in 10 years when crowds are still ruining promos with that sh*t.
     
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  3. DraVen

    DraVen New Member

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    He HAD to lose the title at Wrestlemania and we all knew this because the Royal Rumble winner lost last year and the gimmick had to be recovered this year. Sheamus had been on a tear in the run-up and it was just the right time to do it.

    That said, it has probably helped Bryan without anyone even considering the possibility that it would. Making him lose only strengthened a subsection of the fanbase who love Daniel Bryan, who just so happened to be in full force in Miami this weekend. So if WWE are smart (and we've got precedence in Zack Ryder to not hold our collective breath), they'll capitalise immediately and make money off the t-shirts and merchandise and maybe even slot him into a three-way feud with Sheamus and Del Rio for Extreme Rules. It won't make him an enormous star until he shifts the merchandise and starts moving TV ratings, but it will strengthen his position within the company since I think everyone in the company realises he's a really great worker who has the backing of Regal and Michaels. Remember, people like HHH hated Chris Benoit until they worked with him and realised how much better they looked with him, and he became a WWE lifer. So it's always plausible. But the telling signs will be this week on SmackDown, and on next week's shows. If the mark towns have caught on and carry it on, it'll go somewhere.
     
  4. Horowitz

    Horowitz New Member

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    I think Yes! is definitely the new What? Loving the chants carrying on over to RAW.
     
  5. Chris2K

    Chris2K Well-Known Member

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    I remember for two/three months all the smark crowds were chanting "We Want Ryder". That hasn't turned out well.

    Smark crowds chanting things is by no means a guarantee of the superstar in question being treated better, there are far more examples of people like Zack Ryder, who was buried so deeply in Miami that he actually woke up in China, being given a brief push and then eventually punished for getting over when they shouldn't have. It's a sad reality, but one that I think Daniel Bryan will suffer from by the end of the year.

    EDIT: I think I should also point out that I really do hope it doesn't happen as I am a massive Bryan fan. Yes.
     
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  6. Fatherof10minis

    Fatherof10minis New Member

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    I dont think brian needs to make a face turn to make this work. People love the heel character as is why change it? I just want to see wwe book him properly and not have him fall flat. Hes a great worker and i agree a 3 way dance and him regaining the title to mend the mistake at mania makes sense to me as well. I just hope wwe doesnt shove him down the ladder a tad and lets him flounder. Like already said by others, strike while the iron is hot
     
  7. Horowitz

    Horowitz New Member

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    Yes! T-shirts should be going to print at WWE as we speak :)
     
  8. Da Showstoppa

    Da Showstoppa New Member

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    It would not surprise me if Bryan was either with TNA or back in ROH by the turn of the year. I wouldn't blame him either, he was made to look a total idiot at the biggest dance in town.
     
  9. H}{H-Evolution

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    It was a heel comeuppance though - whether or not WE approve of it, doesn't matter...

    Plus, there's another thing.

    They either keep the idea of royal rumble winners looking strong at Mania, or they back an uncertain prospect and make what they've done {whatever there was of it} with sheamus as the royal rumble winner null and void.

    Regardless of it being 'the wrong winner', the 'royal rumble win' scenario is clearly important to them.
     
  10. John Hancock

    John Hancock Well-Known Member Subscriber Senior Moderator

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    The Royal Rumble winner didn't win though, he cheap shotted him. I'm all for bringing prestige back to the Royal Rumble, but that's not how you do it, you do it with a match, even a squash match, you don't do it by having the baby face effectively sneak up on the heel, hit one move before the guy even turns around, and then win. It doesn't make Sheamus look good at all, it makes him look, at best, opportunistic, and, at worst, kind of a p*ssy. I've no problem with Sheamus winning (although, for reasons of personal taste, I'd rather he hadn't), but I do have a problem with him winning like that, it achieves nothing other than making Bryan into the second Zack Ryder, and we all know how the WWE reacted to that; by doing nothing for six months, then spending the next six months burying the guy.

    Call me pessimistic, but nothing good ever comes from fans choosing who they want to boo and cheer these days, the WWE just doesn't care. Boo Cena, they don't care, cheer Ryder, they don't care, boo Sheamus, they don't care, cheer Bryan, they don't care. This is the company that, at the height of Ryder's internet popularity, wouldn't even put him on so much as a dark match in his hometown. I honestly think that if fans REALLY like Bryan, they should start booing the hell out of him, because modern WWE does not take kindly to this level of free thinking in their audience.
     
  11. Ciaran The King

    Ciaran The King Legend in the making Subscriber

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    I was thinking the same after WM, what threat does Daniel now pose. He was humiliated by WWE in front of a world wide audience and in the way the match was booked WWE showed Bryan how much they don't respect what he's done in the past or present
     
  12. Jimmy Redman

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    Reading some of the things in this thread honestly makes me think that people are just refusing to pay attention to the shows, fantasy booking their smark dreams instead and then complaining when they dont come true.

    Daniel Bryan since he turned heel has been a huge ass cowardly, chickensh*t, midget heel. He has run away from every single challenger he's had. He hides behind the smallest woman in the world, uses her as bait and treats her horribly. He retains his title through flukes and bullsh*t. He's a little piece of sh*t, domestic abuser with a Napoleon complex, who needs to get his comeuppance in the end.

    Sheamus has been pushed and protected strongly since he turned face in June. They need top level faces. He won the Royal Rumble. He's portrayed as a jolly asskicker who runs through heels who get out of line. He gets his title shot at Mania against Bryan.

    And Sheamus SHOULDNT have destroyed this f*cker in seconds?

    The whole point of running with a character like Bryan's is to get the payoff in the end where he's finally beaten. The pinfall is all that really matters in this case. As much as you want him to be, Bryan is not a wrestling machine, fighting champion who takes Sheamus to a hard fought match before losing. That is the exact opposite of what is going on here.

    I'm happy for people who like their workrate and I understand not getting to see a match you were looking forward to. Thats fair enough. But trying to criticise this from a general booking perspective just because you're butthurt that Bryan was jobbed doesnt work when from a booking perspective it made perfect sense. I think the only valid point to be made is that Bryan's reign could have gone on a while, but they were kind of put in a corner with Mania coming up and Sheamus needing to win. But thats got nothing to do with booking the flash pin.

    He's on the biggest run of his life, and he's going to quit and to go TNA because his Wrestlemania World Title match was too short for the internet's liking :lol:

    He worked the Superstars main event as a babyface and won at the LI taping.
     
  13. Da Showstoppa

    Da Showstoppa New Member

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    I really wish there was a "like" button. Spot on mate.
     
  14. Burakiosaurus

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    I agree with Jimmy on this one, it's nearly always built up to a Face win at a major PPV, and the way Sheamus won fits with the way Bryan has been acting and carrying himself these past few months.

    The mind of Vinnie Mac works in weird ways and I'm sure a few pissed off people on the internet are the very least of their concerns.
     
  15. Jimmy Redman

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    I mean, on another point, even if you want to go down the "Wahhh Daniel Bryan's career!" route, if people really believe his Mania week reactions are indicative of something and will continue, Mania was pretty much the best thing to ever happen to him, since him being jobbed out is what has created this incredible support. You think he'd be nearly as over if he'd had a solid 10 minute match and there was no giant travesty to rebel against? It could be the making of him if its sustainable in any way.
     
  16. Jamster26

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    Hmm, I don’t think just because Bryan is a cowardly type of heel, that WWE were right to have a title match, dusted and finished, inside 20 seconds…

    Christian was a cowardly heel, hiding behind lawyers, running away and things but still had normal timed matches, which worked in theme with his cowardice.

    In the long run, I don’t think it helps anyone. Sure, Bryan is getting support now, because of what happened at WM, but he can’t last on that forever.

    As for his opponent Sheamus, well, what did he gain out of it?
     
  17. Jimmy Redman

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    He's a giant asskicker who squashed the World Champion. He's fine.
     
  18. dsrchris

    dsrchris Am disappoint, son Subscriber Senior Moderator

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    The World Title? A quick win record that probably won't be beaten in a good long time? The opportunity to work with the best workers of both shows from now on, and a healthy bonus in his pay packet? Sheamus got a LOT from Sunday.
     
  19. Jimmy Redman

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    Only on the internet can squashing the World Champion in seconds make you look bad.
     
  20. Jamster26

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    I guess I see it differently.
     

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