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Formula One 2012

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  1. Omega

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    I must be stupid beause I always thought curves were more aero dynamic that flat lines...
     
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    The stepped nose is due to regulations deeming the tip of the nose must be low. It's because they've gradually got higher over the years but if they are high in line with the chassis this year, the potential is that a T-Smash could push the tip into the drivers head if they crash in such a way.

    The reason for the step is that they can keep the front end high, but just lower the tip :)


    McLaren's chassis is reportedly already low enough to not require the Step-Nose BUT rumours already that Charlie Whiting is off to Jerez to check out the new McLaren anyway as the launch was not a clear view of what McLaren have deemed a 'plastic car' and not the real deal. Interesting that McLaren chose not to show anything really at the rear of their car,
     
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    I'm going to make a prediction that come Melbourne, Red Bull will be quickest, but not by as much as they have been. Ferrari will be fighting closely, with Alonso getting more out of the car to almost match the Bulls. And Mclaren, too busy concerning themselves with covering up with what they have, rather than build the quickest car, will be a distant third, leaving them playing catch up all season again.
     
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    Yeah, I get all the regulation stuff but surely you would graduate the difference in heightfrom the top to the tip? Surely airflow must be imporoved by pushing the air away from the car and not have it slamming into that bump?
     
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    Ooooh, lets play this game please!

    I predict the Bulls to be ahead again thanks to Newey designing the chassis to work just as well withoutb the blown diffuser. I think McLaren will be next and when we actually see the back end it will have a super "F-duct" type dealio that no one else has come up with. I think Ferrari will actually struggle, I think that the aggression in the design of the latest car will mean they have to spend a lot of time tinkering with the car to get it working right. I think the Mercs could be a surprise package but I'll wait to see the car before deciding.

    I think Lotus, force india and Sauber will be fairly equal. Torro Rosso could go either way, with two rookie drivers the times could appear slow on a fast car. I see Williams struggling and maybe even dicing with the Caterhams on times. HRT and Maurussia last of course and I think the Murussias to be last as they've admitted to not using KERS again this season and I don't know if HRT have said whether they will or not.
     
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    I would love to see Mercedes break the top three, but I feel they are going to be fairly set in that fourth best position unable to challenge, but not coming under any pressure.

    The idea that Mclaren are developing something at the rear of the car wouldn't surprise me at all, given how cagey they've been about showing it. Perhaps Mclaren will be a demon on the straights again, but lose out to the Bulls through the corners due to Neweys aero package. That seems most likely, so we'll get another case of kind of being able to predict which car will be quick based on the circuit.

    I'm going to back Force India to nick the fifth spot from Lotus. As Renault, they were going backwards all last season while Force India are an improving team with improving drivers. The Kimi factor might not be enough for Lotus if they don't have a great car.

    Torro Rosso and Sauber will dual it out all season, switching positions depending on luck and strategies but I think Sauber will just edge it, having the greater driver experience and greater F1 pedigree. Plus Kobiashi is awesome! Williams will be in and around them but overall probably not finishing ahead of them much, they have a poor line up and little finance so they're going to need a bit of luck.

    Caterham will score a point or two this season and be more or less battling with the above three all year, Kers will be a big boost for then particularly in qualifying and I think we'll see an end to them always being out in Q1. Overall they won't score as much as above, but they are definitely on the up.

    HRT will pip Marrusssia to the best of the worst. I can see HRT putting in a bit more effort to progress than Marrussia.
     
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    'Megs that was entirely my arguement when I first saw the stepped nose on the new Caterham car, but the designers argument is that the air hits the same issue when hitting that driver's helmet previously and this new step helps push the air up enough to avoid that being an issue again.

    I don't think Red Bull will be out right dominant again this year. Previous years especially last have been down to the superb ideas of Mr Newey, but unless they have something else extra special this year now the Blown Diffuser is out, then I can see the field closing.

    I expect Merc to be challenging for the podium this year. They've done what they did in 2008 and focused very early on the new car, and look how they did in 2009 :)

    Lotus may be strong, but I don't think it'll be til midseason that they are really pushing further up the points table. Kimi needs to adjust to life back in F1. Force India I think may drop back a little, much like Williams did last season.

    The back 3 will be the back 3. I expect HRT to do a little better this year, with Caterham perhaps grabbing a point or two when the circumstances favour them. Marussia will be awful, the lack of KERs will hinder them even more yet again.

    As much as I'd like to see Torro Rosso up challenging the likes of Lotus and Mercedes, I think they've took a massive gamble on their complete driver line-up. Jaime and Buemi last year came into their own towards the back end of the year and scored a lot of consistent points finishes.

    I think Ferrari will suprise, well no, I think Alonso will suprise and with a car that hopefully is faster than last year, the man is unstoppable. Vettel rarely gets put under any pressure, but when he does, he shows he's no better than anyone else in the field, the car sadly dominates a lot of performance these days. Yes I appreciate he has the same car as Webber but the Red Bull suits Seb more. On the other side of the card, even with a lesser car, Alonso forces his car up the grid, the man never gives up. I believe for my money Fernando is one of the greatest ever.

    I'm expecting the usual start of season McLaren behind the front-runners and a season-long development to get better.

    Bold Prediction, I'm pipping Fernando Alonso for his 3rd World Title this year
     
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    Welcome back Iceman. I know it's only the very first test, and not alot can be read into these but it's nice to see Kimi starting well all the same. If Lotus big time get their sh*t together and challenge for wins it would be great.

    My immense dislike for Genni Capital and Eric Boullier is outweighed by my desire to see more competitive racing up front.
     
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    I'm just waiting for Kimi to tell us he's been for a sh*t again.
     
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    Grosjean was quickest of the new cars today. Maybe there's some decent pace in the Lotus after all. And Bianchi crashed on his very first lap for Force India :lol:
     
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    I've seen Finnish highlights of Days 1 and 2. The Mercedes looks genuinely quick and it's not even this years car, just last years with parts for this years.

    That said, lap times are irrelevant in testing. Impossible to get a feel for where anyone is until Australia
     
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    Kimi Raikonnen is only 16/1 to win the World Championship. That's way short. I thought he would be at least 33/1. If he was, I was going to stick a couple quid on him. You never know, Lotus could pull a Brawn.
     
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    Good. Hate it when teams are constantly trying to question the legality of cars during a season so hopefully we won;t get that this year.
     
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    I dunno like, if Red Bull are miles quicker again, it's a sure bet Whitmarsh will be trying to prove they're up to something.
     
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    I've a sneaky feeling that McLaren have something special tucked away in the back of the new car. RB have been lucky that all their design work for the last two cars has been stuff that was not easily seen by the other teams to be able to copy but I'm pretty sure they were one of the teams who were very much at the front of complaining about the F-duct.
     
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    Explains a lot about Red Bull's quick starts and how Vettel is able to pull out a second on the first lap compared to the other cars. Also explains why the Ferrari's and McLaren's could hunt down the Red Bull's the longer the race went on.

    I've often wondered when engine manufacturers would begin to consider if fuel efficiency was an alternate strategy to pure HP.
     
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    My stance is the same as last year; Even without the violence, we shouldn't be going there.
     
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