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Do Wrestlers Need To Go To WWE In Order To Solidify Their Status?

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  1. Jamster26

    Jamster26 Well-Known Member Subscriber

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    My question comes from the Road Warrior Animal’s quote below. What do you think?

    I think Sting earned the Icon status after his work in WCW.

    credit: twnpnews.com
     
  2. Paul

    Paul Well-Known Member

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    I think that you do NOW. With no real number 2 in the wrestling landscape if you havent already become a pro wrestling icon or legend outside of WWE then yes you have to go there.

    Sure, you can become a legend in Japan, or Mexico, but for better or worse those two things just arent on par with the global status of WWE. Sting became an icon back in WCW.
     
  3. Ciaran The King

    Ciaran The King Legend in the making Subscriber

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    Now days you have to have passed through WWE to be considered an icon, there just isn't another wrestling company that equals WWE where someone can make their name.

    Take MVP for example, he's recieved many plaudits for his actions in Japan and the way he's improved. Yet he would have to come back through WWE to cement his status
     
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    Ryan New Member

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    This goes with my thinking that you shouldn't be inducted into the WWE Hall of fame unless you've actually been there, even if you were a massive hit in WCW, ECW, AWA or otherwise. Put it this way, AJ Styles is a legend in TNA, but if TNA folded today and WWE bought them tomorrow, does that mean he should be in the WWE Hall of fame? I'm not by any stretch of the imagination comparing AJ & Sting, but both are and have been legends outside of WWE.
     
  5. Jimmy Redman

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    You cant compare because you cant compare TNA and WCW. TNA arent on WWE's radar and AJ isnt a star. But WCW were real competition and their stars were actually stars on the same level as WWE's. Thats a bad argument trying to say that TNA and WCW are the same non-entities.

    And yeah, is the answer to the question.
     
  6. Ciaran The King

    Ciaran The King Legend in the making Subscriber

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    If for example WWE were to aquire TNA the only stars who would qualify for the HOF would be Angle, Sting, Dudleys and possibly RVD. The rest of the TNA roster are nowhere near the level of exposure that WWE stars currently are.
     
  7. ShaolinHandLock

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    No.

    EDIT - Allow me to elaborate. Now I'm not speaking in terms of a Hogan or Rock or Austin, but when it comes to being considered an "icon", you don't need to be in the WWE to be known worldwide by wrestling fans. Necro Butcher is someone I'd consider an "icon" of the indy wrestling scene, for example, because he has wrestled worldwide and the majority of wrestling fans on the internet have at least heard of him. There are others too that I'd consider icons and legends in the future, even if they never end up in the WWE. To me, the level of mainstream fame has little to do with it.

    Now if you're strictly talking about level of mainstream fame in comparison to The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin or even John Cena, then yes, you do pretty much have to pass through the WWE. But when it comes to describing a wrestler as an "icon", then no.
     
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  8. Jimmy Redman

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    Internet wrestling fans, and the wider general public are two opposite ends of the spectrum though. There is a vast middle ground there which is just the average wrestling fan. The average wrestling fan is not an internet fan and has absolutely no idea who Necro Butcher is. But he also knows more than just the small handful of names that are in the 'mainstream'.

    The point is, you can be an "indy wrestling icon", so to speak, but you cant be a "wrestling icon" in general if you're solely indy or internet famous. The internet wrestling scene means nothing to the vast majority of wrestling fans. And they are the ones who decide who is or isnt an icon.
     
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    See, that's where our definitions are different. If you were to describe what you were saying as 'mainstream star', then I'd agree with you. It's just that I see 'wrestling icon', 'wrestling star' and 'mainstream wrestling star' as a bunch of different things.

    I get exactly what you are saying though, I just use different terminology or something.
     
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    You can use different terminology, but I think there's a fundamental point beyond just usage of words, that being, being a 'star' on the indy/internet level doesnt make you a wrestling star or icon. It has nothing to do with the mainstream (unless you're taking 'mainstream' to mean 'mainstream wrestling fans') but simply the fact that the internet and the indy scene do not have a wide enough scope to make people icons.

    Necro Butcher can be an "indy wrestling icon", if we want to use that phrase, but he's not a "wrestling icon". He cant be, because most wrestling fans have never even heard of him, much less passed judgment on him. Iconic status is based on that judgment, a consensus from a large group of people based on fame and accomplishments. Anything else and we're getting away from what an icon actually is.
     
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    Fair enough. I didn't really use the word 'icon' in that way before, but I understand now.
     
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    Take Necro Butcher for example. If he was to tour the world putting on first class matches and out performing everyone who he encountered and earning the respect of the fans and his peers who's to say he isn't a wrestling icon.
     
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    I agree with the points about having to be mainstream to be an icon. I would consider myself to be a middle ground fan. By that I mean I know alot about wwe / wcw / ecw / tna, but next to nothing about the indies. I have heard of necro butcher on this site but could not pick him out of a lineup if I had a gun to my head lol.

    I do not believe, however, that u had to pass through the WWE to be considered an Icon in the business. Sting really is the perfect example. The man is an icon though he's never been in the WWE.

    As far as the hall of fame goes, let's be honest, who gets in has nothing to do with wether or not they have been in the WWE and everything to do with how Vince is feeling when he's deciding on who to induct. It's not like there is an academy who votes on these things, it's Vince's decision.
     
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    I think you have to be in WWE just for practical reasons, more than anything. WWE won, WWE writes the history, for better or worse, thats the reality. So if you want a legacy to the wider audience of wrestling fans, you need to be in WWE, or at least co operate with them, so that they preserve and promote your legacy. Otherwise, its gets fainter and fainter as your contemporary fans get older and you're lost to the larger populace who only know WWE's version of history. Which is what happens to a guy like Sting.
     
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    Very true, without WWE's stamp of approval your not going to be remembered in twenty years time.
     
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    You people are the reason I drink
     
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    I see what u are saying but even with the stamp of approval most of these guys won't be remembered in 20 years. I mean, with the shape the business is in now a days, some of these guys won't be remembered in 20 minutes.

    I guess my definition of icon is different. Someone who made a true impact on the business for many years, to me, is an icon.

    When I was a kid, the biggest names in the business were Hogan, Andre, Flair, and Sting. To say that Sting isn't an icon in wrestling , again to me, seems crazy, just because he never went to the Wwe. Opinions vary, and i respect everyone's heh.
     
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    Sting is an icon now, I wouldnt disagree, but my point is more that, if he never allows WWE to include him in their canon as an officially-stamped 'Icon', then he's going to be left behind. He wont be remembered the same past his own generation.
     
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    Yeah, reality can be a harsh and cruel mistress.
     
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