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Did the year long hype experiment work?

Discussion in 'Wrestling Forum' started by Omega, Apr 5, 2012.

  1. Omega

    Omega Global Modd Subscriber

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    As the title suggests what are people's thoughts on how well the experiment in building one match for an entire year has gone. Do you think that Cena V Rock match would have been just as good, better or worse had it got a more typical build time? Did the fact that a feud where one person was absent most of the time still took up so much TV time put you off the match before it happened? What could the WWE have done better with the build to the match, working around Rock's schedule of course?
     
  2. Da Showstoppa

    Da Showstoppa New Member

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    I think in general they need feuds to be booked over longer periods. The best example for me was Batista's eventual turn on Evolution and collision with Triple H. I would like to see a reduction in PPV's so that the build time is longer for say a big PPV every two or so months. So often now you see upcoming opponents in various tag matches against each other for the PPV and there's a sense of "meh, already seen these two"

    The problem with Rock V Cena, is that in the cold light of day, I don't think they delivered in the final match. That's the risk with a year long build - the match HAS TO deliver at the end of it.
     
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    it can be done thats for sure. Long drawn out feuds i have always preferred whether the final confrontation lived up to the hype or not. Where wwe failed with rock vs cena is they really got nobody else involved on an important basis. Both are near flawless on the mic but if they would have had them do the face offs for a few more weeks it would have became repetitive and not as impactful to me. There has to be other elementss and characters to feed off of to build both sides long term.

    I think a great example is the feud with bret hart and stonecold in 96 and 97. That feud was able to carry and always deliver because there were always side notes to the story. Owen hart, daveyboy, pillman, hbk, mankind all helped fuel in one way or another the epic battles austin and bret would have. I still think wwe does to much one on one rivalries and they need to overlap storylines more.
     
  4. Ciaran The King

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    Unfortunately Rock was not around enough for the feud to be booked effectively, plus in my opinion the feeling of original excitement faded after a few months of realizing that Rock was not going to be around until it really mattered.

    The year long wait was far too long for a feud that only started at the beginning of March. By the time Rocky turned up I really wasn't that bothered about the whole deal, but I must admit after the Cena serious promo and Rocky's concert I did get a little excited. But then come show time the 'Once in A Lifetime' match was a complete washout, badly booked with sloppy moves this did not justify the time and hype which was given to it plus as a fan watching the biggest show of the year I felt shortchanged.

    I personally felt that come Survivor Series and the crap PPV that it was WWE had to all of a sudden breathe fresh air into the stagnant feud it had become. Another segment which I feel damaged Cena was the burial of him by CM Punk during the summer, to me Punk and WWE did more harm to Cena then than Rocky could ever do.
     
  5. The Beltster

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    Experiment? Was it an experiment? Its been done before and far better too. This is how it always used to be, slow burn, drawn out, twists and turns. Not over and out in 2 minutes. This wasnt an experiment, it was getting back to basics.
     
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    Getting back to basics with a one competitor making only a handful of appearances.
     
  7. Jimmy Redman

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    So? It doesnt matter as long as it works, and in the case of Rock, you need less appearances or else you wear out his welcome. He was around for the important periods and there was nothing wrong with the build in terms of time spent or anything.

    And this sort of ties in with the idea of slower builds and more space between matches. IDEALLY guys shouldnt have to appear every week and wrestle every week, because that is how they get stale and run through all their potential matches too quickly. Taker works once a year because he can and his return and match are a huge deal. Rock is still enough of a draw that his limited appearances all do business, so thats why you limit his appearances, so they keep doing business.

    Not to mention, you scoff about "back to basics", but back in the 80s Hogan and co didnt wrestle on TV every week either.
     
  8. ViciousPrism

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    For me, it didn't work in the slightest. The promo wars were nice, but in the end I didn't care about Cena/Rock in the slightest. I do agree that more feuds have to built up properly, rather than given a one or two month rush job and be done with it. But this one, didn't grab me.
     
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    You'd have to remind me the last time any wrestling promotion began a feud by announcing the one match for it a year ahead. I think your twisting the idea that the premise of the thread is about long angles which it isn't.

    Any other long term angles have various matches that mean the advantage swings back and forth, there's a dynamic too them that stops them from being stale. Rock/cena stayed at the same level from the start until the match. Nobody won a promo battle or cost their opponent anything important.

    That's why for me it failed when in general an angle could last that long. The experiment was whether they could sustain the hype for the one blow off match across a whole year and ultimately I don't think it did.
     
  10. Jimmy Redman

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    I disagree on this point. Momentum definitely swung back and forth. Last year for Mania Rock made his big return, he and Cena traded promo "wins" on a weekly basis. Then Rock cost him the title in the main event of WM. Rock won. At Survivor Series Rock dominated the tag match, attacked him after the match and made Cena a bitch. Rock won. Then this year Cena punked out Rock on a weekly basis. Cena won. Then in the match Cena got cocky and lost. Rock won.

    I think the downside is that those three periods of the feud being "on" were broken up by long periods of Rock's absence which made fitting the pieces together a lot harder. Like for example coming off Survivor Series, Rock destroyed Cena so badly that we all sat there thinking "he has to turn or something, there's no way they can put him over, Rock just obliterated him." And then when the promos started again Cena came out swinging and we all went "Holy crap he's serious, he has to beat Rock now." But by the time the feud restarted in February, Cena had two months of something completely different with Kane and the connection between A and B didnt really resonate - I dont think it was that people went "Cena is getting serious after he jobbed at Survivor Series", but more like "Cena is getting serious after that goofy as f*ck Kane feud."

    I can accept that someone found it disconnected, but I dont really think there was no story development or momentum shifts.
     
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    Did it work? Yes and no. It worked for the few weeks after it was announced. It also worked in the build up to WM the last few weeks. Where it all fell down was during the frequent periods Rock was gone for during the year.

    Where it worked best was during the dueling promos. Long build feuds are good but a year was a bit too much.
     
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    Maybe what I mean is that when you avergae it out the peaks and troughs make it fairly flat. So as you say there were a few high points but then everything drifted off after it, I'd also say the title loss was the start of the feud in reality since that's the point we got the year long build so from there nothing ever really became quite as important again until this years WM.
     
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    Seems like an appropriate place to ask this - but having missed the WCW Nitro golden period (because it wasn't really on UK TV) How good was the whole "Sting sitting up in the roof just watching" angle? Because that was nearly a year in the making too wasn't it?
     
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    But thing's were so different even in the 90's, audience and money was flowing plus Sting was a JCP/WCW soon to be so called Icon. People loved him are were willing to wait.
     
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    I understand that, but as an angle did tha eventual payoff make it worthwhile? Or did WCW screw it up as usual!!
     
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    You honestly dont know how that was paid off? Wow.

    In short, they screwed it up. Look up Starrcade '97.
     
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    No, as I said I missed out on a lot of WCW - Mostly because at the time I was a "WWE mark" but I like looking at it's history and seeing old tape now.
     
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    as Jimmy said look up Starrcade 97.
     
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    To wikipedia!

    EDIT - Ah a reference to the screwjob, should have seen that coming!
     
  20. Jimmy Redman

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    In short, Sting finally faced Hogan at Starrcade '97 after more than a year of build. Hogan took most of the match, hit the Leg Drop, and Sting was pinned clean with what was supposed to be a 'fast count' (Referee Nick Patrick just counted normally though - supposedly at Hogan's command). Bret Hart on his first PPV came out and had the match restarted clumsily and Sting eventually won. But the point was that Sting had already been pinned clean and he was never ever the same.

    Huge f*ck up.
     

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