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David Seaman

Discussion in 'Sports Forum' started by Pabster, Jan 15, 2004.

  1. Pabster

    Pabster TWO Hall of Fame Member

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    Hey,

    This may be a day or two late but i'd like to wish David Seaman all the best for the future and congratulate him on a great career. He may get the bad press about several moments such as Nayim in the last minute from the half way line and Ronaldinho's goal in the World Cup but this guy has made world class saves throughout his time and has won Arsenal and England a damn lot of games. He was a great ambassador for the Premiership/ English football.

    All the video packages on SKY have reminded me of some of his outstanding stuff. His save against Sheffield Utd in the Semi Final of the cup last season was the greatest save i've ever seen. His speed and the way he changed directions and somehow scooped the ball away was simply magnificant.

    :thumbup2: :thumbup2: :thumbup2: to Seaman!

    Cheers.
     
  2. Ed_666

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    I never rated Seaman that much personally. When they showed the promo of him making saves a lot of them were very average, and left me thinking surely there were some better ones than that?

    I don't know why everyone goes on about the Sheff Utd save. It was good, but hardly brilliant. There was virtually no power on the header, and it was going back towards him. All he did was stick his arm out and claw it away - he didn't even need to dive.

    It was certainly not in the class of Gordon Banks' save v Brazil or Schmiechel's against someone in Europe a while back.

    I've seen better saves than that this season.

    Personally I think the only reason he's rated so highly is he is English. That's the only reason David James isn't constantly hounded by the press.

    Barthez made a fraction of the mistakes that James does, yet Barthez is labelled as a dodgy keeper and papers remind everyone that he made 2 or 3 mistakes a couple of years ago. :rolleyes2:

    Ed
     
  3. The Crippler

    The Crippler New Member

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    David James was hounded for a long, long time.

    I always thought Schmeichel was a fair bit better than Seaman but he will definitely go down as one of the top two or three keepers in the history of the Premiership.
     
  4. Russ

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    He always provided a great laugh, and I was dancing in the streets before 8am when Ronaldinho made a fool of him, and the entire English nation, at the last World Cup.

    All together now...

    "Nayim! From the halfway line!..."
     
  5. Mr. Mistoffeles

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    Excuse me? He made a fool of the entire English nation? How very absurd. I certainly didn't feel foolish when we lost to the rank amateurs Brazil. Its a game of football, I doubt it was enough to make the whole country blush. Thats a very silly thing to say.
     
  6. Russ

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    Puh-leeze.

    All I heard for weeks and weeks, months and months from the English media (which we in Scotland have no choice but to listen to) is that England are so great, nothing can stop them from victory, they're the best young team in the world etc. So when they failed to win the World Cup, it was a glorious day to see the incredibly bias English media (and many fans) eat their words.

    The only thing better than seeing Scotland win after we talk ourselves down is seeing England lose after they talk themselves up.
     
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    To quote a recent car ad:

    Terrible thing, envy. :p :lol:

    Ed
     
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    I know I'm not envious of England. Maybe the French or Brazilians but certainly not the English. It's just about the mindset of the English, you actually think you are a bunch of world beaters. At least in Scotland we know we suck and freely admit it, shame the English can't do that. It'll be the same in the build up to Euro 2004, the English media will talk about how they have a fantastic chance of winning the tournament when they don't have a snowballs chance.
     
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    We don't suck, Scotland Suck and Northern Ireland Suck but we don't. In Paul Scholes and David Beckham we have two of the best players in the world, although the rest of the team isn't up to that standard I certainly wouldn't say we "suck".
     
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    And on that note I'd like to echo Pabs words and wish David Seaman all the best.
     
  11. Pabster

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    Don't forget Stevie G and Saint Michael!
     
  12. Mr. Mistoffeles

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    The English media? Since when have they represented the feeling of the country? If you haven't noticed the media blow everything out of proportion, thats their job. Saying that, why aren't we allowed to talk ourselves up? We have a great team. With so many favourites falling out early we certainly did have a great chance of winning that world cup.

    And as for that last statement about wanting to see England lose ahead of seeing Scotland win, that makes you sound pretty pathetic. Maybe its the bitterness of never having got past the first round of a major tournament.
     
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    England really don't have a great team. They've got some great players but they have no chance of winning the up coming tournament.

    England are a semi-decent team who get by ok by beating average sides but struggle against anyone good.

    For a country the size of England, you should be a much better team than you actually are. I certainly won't be surprised to see a country like Northern Ireland (33 times smaller in population) drawing with you at Windsor Park. If the Northern Irish can draw against Spain then they can get a result against England.

    I shan't be going out of my way to cheer for Englands opponents at Euro 2004 but the illusions of grandeur kind of bug me.
     
  14. Russ

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    By all means, yes. But what I ask is that countries like Wales and Scotland are not subjected to the hype 24/7. What people in England don't realise is that all of Britain is subjected to England's OTT build up to games/tournaments, and if you don't care about the English national team, it can irritate you when you get nothing but bias on every show, from the Frank Skinner show to commentary on Sweden Vs Nigeria, all we hear is England this and England that.

    As I've said before, I would love to see how the English would react to being subjected to what we get in the opposite way. If they tried to watch England Vs Germany, and the commentator kept on talking about Scotland, there would be national outrate, but we just have to take it as given. Can you imagine if Australia had won the Rugby world cup, and on every program, their victory was brought up? Can you imagine if ITV and BBC showed live coverage of the Aussie team coming home and their bus trip around Sydney with the trophey? Because if you watch British TV, you'll have seen it taking up schedules.

    Bitterness has nothing to do with the way I feel. If England get knocked out of competitions quickly, I don't have to put up with the In-gur-lish propaganda, so my viewing experience is more enjoyable. Unlike England, I don't care how Scotland do. For me, football is only a minor part of being a Scotland fan. The Tartan Army have a superb reputation around the world for being good natured, light heared fans who can enjoy a drink with the opposition fans and poke fun at theirselves. Never in a million years will England ever sing "We're sh**e and we know we are", even in their worst moments, because they're so serious and dead set on winning that everything turns competitive, which is partly the reason that England fans have a terrible reputation for being troublemaking hooligans.

    So I know I won't be the only one celebrating if England get knocked out at Euro 2004, and I've already been practising my French for the World Cup qualifiers.
     
  15. K.J

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    Maybe if Scotland actually did something of note, then their might be a bit of a fuss made on TV. The TV channels give as much coverage to Scotland as they do to England during major tournaments, they also give a fair amount of coverage to the Republic of Ireland. If England, Scotland and Ireland were in the World Cup their would be reporting teams at all the training camps and would be reports on all 3 teams on the World Cup programming.

    Is it the medias fault that Scotland always go home after the first round, perhaps whilst they're covering the England team in the latter stages they could do reports on the Scotland players walking their dogs or playing golf so that the Scottish fans don't feel left out.
     
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    Well said! :thumbup2:
     
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    So let me get this straight. You don't think the rugby world cup winning team should've been given any TV coverage? Or do you mean just not as much? Either way, it's a great achievement, our first sporting achievement in nearly 40 years so im for our nation milking it for all its worth and we shouldn't be made to feel bad for such coverage just because Scotland haven't achieved anything since, well, ever.

    It isn't just our national side that the English media overhype, it's pro Britain. This isn't a bad thing. Remember when England didn't qualify for World cup 94? Of course you do, you were dancing in the streets like all 'good natured, sporting, god like' Scots. The English media were urging English fans to get behind the Republic of Ireland. Now would this happen in any other country? Not many. It certainly wouldn't happen in Ireland if things were the other way around. I also remember one England match where John Motson apologised for maybe sounding a little patriotic. You certainly wouldn't get that in many other countries.

    You may be annoyed at our nation having high hopes for our team in major competitions (shame on us!!) and chanting 'Ing-gur-lund' (very funny by the way) but in a day and age when English patroitism is frowned upon, football is all we have to show our love for our nation without ridiculously being branded a racist or something equally absurd.

    By the way, you can say you're not bitter all you like but it really does just sound like a case of sour grapes.
     
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    Yes, cover it all you want in your own country, but why should it be shoved down the throats of the rest of the UK? If Australia had won, and every channel in the UK had their entire schedules devoted to their celebration, the majority of English people would be outraged.

    If you've never experienced what it's like to live in a country where another nation gloats over every single one of it's successes, be it recent (Rugby World Cup) or ALMOST FORTY YEARS AGO (You know what), in your newspapers, your TV channels and your life, then I'm sorry but your arguement is worthless.

    Of course it wouldn't happen in any other British country, as England have no footballing reason to hate Ireland, while Wales, Northern Ireland, the Republic and Scotland are totally entitled to despise England.

    That's just not true, everything is focused around England. I wasn't able to enjoy the commentary in one game in the last World Cup, due to everything going back to England. France Vs Senegal may as well have been the England Appreciation 90 minutes, as all I heard throughout that match was "Let's hope England can start as bright as Senegal!" and "Let's hope that Hedman makes as many mistakes as Barthez when England play them!".

    Remember when Aldo Duscher broke Beckham's foot? It was a mistake, with no intent, yet Duscher was made out to be some kind of super villan. I remember watching in disbelief at the news one night when a rabble of English reporters pinned him against a wall until he apologised. Of course, I would much rather have Duscher in any team than David Beckham, because he's a better player, but it's just not on that a country's media can go that far with a player. And don't get me started on the network bosses bullying Alan Hansen and Ally McCoist into becoming England fans.

    If it makes you feel better, you can say that I'm bitter. But there's about 10 million other people in the UK who are going to be just as happy as me if England fail to win Euro 2004.
     
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    Just reminded me of one of the things on Dennis Nordens laughter files last night. They were doin takes where McCoist was saying something along the lines of "You can count on me to be totally unbiased when it comes to England", and the director said "One more time", and McCoist goes "What a lying B*stard I am" :D

    Back to the subject of Seamans retirement, he was a great keeper, although he may be more remembered for his mistakes, and for playing on half a season too long. He was a great character for football however.
     
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    You say its not bitterness, but lets face it, if you had to face anti English commentary and video clips of us going out over and over you wouldn't be moaning would you? I mean, come on, its a bit of film that apparently had you dancing in the streets. Anything that made you that happy you'd want to see again and again and again. It must be a success thing.

    Also, you say that its mostly English references but it is a massive task to work in hundreds of Scotland references when they didn't qualify for the tournament.

    I am truly sick and tired of Scots moaning about this sort of this. 'All ING-GUR-LISH fans are morons for thinking their team can win it'. And you haven't been wronged in any way. You don't have to buy newspapers and you don't have to watch programmes where references might be made. You can even put the commentary on mute. You might not feel that you should have to but thats life. Life isn't always fair. If it were fair you would have been born English. Personally I really think its bitterness. You can dress it up as an attack on the media but to be honest your original comment seemed to be rubbing it in the faces of English fans. 'I was dancing in the streets', 'It silenced the English fans' 'It silenced a nation', not the media. How many fans have control of Scottish television programming?

    Going back to a point I made, you can be pissed off as much as you like and admittedly your team is lousy but as a nation you are allowed to be proud of being scottish. You try being proud to be English and not be labelled a racist. You're either Welsh, Scottish or British. Proposterous I think you'll agree.

    And yes, our world cup win was ALMOST FORTY YEARS AGO, but AT LEAST WE'VE WON IT.

    And by the way, it will be slightly more than 10 million people who will be happy when we go out. We are arguably the most hated nation in the world.
     

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