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Ched Evans: Should he be allowed to return to football?

Discussion in 'Hall Of Fame' started by Omega, Oct 17, 2014.

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Should Ched Evans be allowed to return to Football?

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  1. Omega

    Omega Global Modd Subscriber

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    Vick admitted his guilt, Evans claims he's innocent. There's an enquiry into his conviction being set up right now.
     
  2. Evil Gringo

    Evil Gringo Not really Evil, but I like Burritos

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    Vick didn't have a leg to stand on though, they were hosting dog fighting on quite a large scale at his house and property - he knew about it, it was pretty much an open and shut case.

    Evans can always point to a different person, who is of a lower profile, being found innocent of the same offense, with the same women on the same night however it has already been turned down by the Court of Appeal whilst he was inside so don't know what a new enquiry is going to do - they usually look after their own in legal circles and back previous judgements.

    Either way 150,000 people have signed an online petition directed to Sheffield United requesting the club do not resign him after it has emerged Nigel Clough and members of the club management met Evans just before his release whilst he was still in person to discuss the idea of resigning him.
     
  3. John Hancock

    John Hancock Well-Known Member Subscriber Senior Moderator

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    It's become of a bit of a news story again, so I was reminded, you know who totally got away with a bunch 'o' rape? Bill Cosby. Everyone loves Bill Cosby, and he straight raped a bitch.

    That might sound like I'm jumping on the bandwagon of dull cliches that is the "Yeah, but X did Y, so Z should be able to do Y too", but I'm really not, I hate that conversation and that defence, it's awful and boring. Really this is just an excuse to remind everyone that Bill Cosby's a rapist.
     
  4. Evil Gringo

    Evil Gringo Not really Evil, but I like Burritos

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    Bit of a bump but it has been confirmed to today that Ched Evans has started training with Sheffield United as he bids to find fitness again during his search for a new club.

    Maybe I'm being cynical but I feel this will just end with Sheffield United just resigning him, they were in talks to after all before his release from prison.
     
  5. Boyo

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    Yes I agree, it'll probably be a "soft signing" if you know what I mean. He's probably already signed for them on some sort of contract, tell the truth, but they're just going to "have him train" with them for a few weeks/months before, once people are used to the idea of Ched being at a football club again, he'll quietly make it to the bench. There'll of course be a fair bit of media attention once he plays, but nothing like if they announced his actual signing right now.

    The other thing that strikes me about this story, sorry for dragging up something that's largely been discussed already, is that an awful lot of his peers believe his side of the story. I supposed there's nothing quite like a locker room full of professional footballers if you want empathy in a drunk/rape case.

    Cheers!
     
  6. The Beltster

    The Beltster Well-Known Member

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    If he isn't allowed to return to football, thats like saying anybody who has ever committed a crime and has served their time isn't allowed to get a job and return to work. I can understand not letting a convicted pedo work in a school, but a convicted rapist playing football isn't putting anybody at risk in the work environment and he has as much right as anybody else to return to work after doing his time so yeah, I dont see why not.
     
  7. King

    King Well-Known Member Forum Leader

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    From a PR standpoint it's a complete nightmare for Sheffield United, although I suppose bad press is good press as they say.
     
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    I don't think that's what they say! :p
     
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    King Well-Known Member Forum Leader

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    Looks like Oldham are going to sign Evans.
     
  10. Boyo

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    I dunno if I'm becoming bored and desensitised by social media outrage, but I'm getting very impatient and fed up with the reaction every time Ched Evans gets anywhere near a club.

    He's either allowed to sign for a club or he's not. The FA should probably clarify this now. I can fully appreciate the outrage of course, he's a convicted rapist after all, but he's either allowed to sign for a club again or he's not. We cannot be governed by tweets in block capitals.

    Cheers!
     
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    Rapist or not the man did his time even if people thinks it too short. He should be able to go back to work.
     
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    He's allowed to, but any club considering it has rocks in their heads.
     
  13. Boyo

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    Well that's the thing isn't it, as Ched Evans is a very good striker, and to 75% of the 76 pro clubs operating below Premier League level, he's probably as good or better than the strikers they currently have, available for free, paying low wages, and with a point to prove.

    As galling as it sounds, if he's allowed to play again then they'd have rocks in their heads if they didn't at least seriously consider a move for him. He'd probably be the difference in getting promoted to League 1 or even the Champo. For free. Signed outside the transfer window.

    On a purely footballing reasoning, he makes a lot of sense. If he were to ever win his appeal then all of a sudden there's a queue a mile long and his wages increase dramatically.

    Morally though, it's incredibly difficult to sign him. I don't think I'd sanction it, personally.

    Cheers!
     
  14. Evil Gringo

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    If Rochdale signed him with clauses in his contract regarding off field actions to ensure a similar situation didn't occur then I wouldn't mind. The issue is the media circus that would follow and the effect it would possibly have on the team.
     
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    Reports in the news s'morning suggesting Oldham are now withdrawing their offer of a short term trial/contract because of the reaction.

    I don't get... this. They know all about Evans, they know what happened to Sheffield Utd, they know about the shady/failed attempt to uproot to Malta. Did they not expect a reaction? Did they not know who the player was? Did they just want a bit of free publicity?

    Leak a story saying we're signing Ched Evans, and then leave him hanging on the day he's due to show up to show how morally upstanding we are? The cynic in me thinks this might be the case.

    Other than the fact we're dealing with an unrepentant convicted rapist, this entire thing is a bit horrible.

    Cheers!
     
  16. Evil Gringo

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    Its more then likely the way things are going that unless he can get that conviction overturned and he becomes a wrongly imprisoned man who was falsely accused of rape then he's not going to get a club because of the media circus.

    I wouldn't mind but when people that have killed - such as Lee Hughes - slid back into the game without so much as a murmur of annoyance, then it smacks of hypocriticalness.

    Let the guy play, put behavioural clauses in his contract, release details of those clauses and the minute he breaks one, fire him, if he doesn't then he is on the path to rehabilitation which is the whole sodding point of the prison system.
     
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    He should sign with a club in Turkey or somewhere else where Women don't really count
     
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    You're absolutely right Gringo. I've mentioned it before (maybe in this thread) that the overwhelming impression I get about this entire situation is that, and this is only based on the total silence from pretty much all footballers and managers, agents and clubs, is that a) they think he's entitled to another chance at playing and b) that he might not have done it. I can imagine a media trained pro footballer being instructed "don't talk about Ched Evans ever" but footballing people are going to have opinions to share on Twitter, their newspaper columns, other publicity.

    Got to say I don't think Lee Hughes came back to the game without a murmur, I definitely remember a furore about it, but it quickly died down when he started scoring goals. Not saying he was forgiven because he sored goals, but the fact he kept on scoring goals despite being protested against at games meant that those protests stopped pretty quickly. Tells you all you need to know about many footballs fans really.

    It also depends on how high profile you are as to how much you are entitled to "rehabilitate". I get sick to the back teeth of reading how Chelsea's clean sheets meant that John Terry's performances were "rehabilitating" him. They weren't. He's still a racist bigot who slept with Wayne Bridge's wife(?). He's just a good footballer too. Same with Suarez. I recall he thwacked in yet another 30 yards whizzer against Norwich and his rehabilitation was onoing. No it wasn't. He was just a brilliant footballer.

    I think you're right with the contract thing though, Gringo. I know contracts are supposed to be private but there's so much interest in this guy that it warrants a more publicised contract. Low wages are a must; performance bonusses linked to "good behaviour" as well as goals, and all the release clauses you can possibly squeeze in. Be the club who not only gives the man a chance that no-one else will, but keep him on that leash that the public crave.

    And yes, should he ever prove his innocence I think the clamour to find him a club again will be nauseating.

    Cheers!
     
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    They really shouldn't have to put an "If he rapes again, he's sacked" clause.
    As much of an utter c*nt I think John Terry is, the whole thing between him, Vanessa Perroncel and Wayne Bridge always annoyed me because her and Bridge had split up prior to her and Terry getting it on. Sure, JT is a dick for cheating on his wife, but the whole "Aw, poor Wayne" bollocks that went with it was completely stupid.
     
  20. Evil Gringo

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    Not even that, curfew's regular alcohol testing, if he is late out - therefore possibly exposing himself to the situation he found himself in before - then fired. If he is drinking over the daily medically advised limit and therefore indulging in behaviour that put him in the situation he was accused then again, fired. If anyone lodges a police complaint that leads to charges from anything from of course sexual assault or rape to farting too loud in public then again fired.

    The sort of conditions built into peoples parole, along with diminished wages that will only increase with good behaviour and on the field performances and make him prove he is rehabilitated, that he won't break ANY law again whilst employed by which ever club signs him let alone sexually assaulting anyone or anything.

    On the side note of Terry - I agree. Bridge had broken up with her and been a bit of a douche hence why Terry had a chance to be the shoulder to cry on in the first place. Should a friend do that? No but they are team mates, they aren't forced to be friends. Hell John Fashanu and Lawrie Sanchez, hated each other, Sheringham and Cole, hated each other, Klinnsmann and Mattaius, hated each other.... So really the victim was Terry's wife and she got next to no sympathy. Now Wayne Bridge on the other hand managed to leave Chelsea, get paid a mega-wad to play for City, which he barely did and now has Frankie from the Saturday's for a wife - Yeah I ain't crying for him anytime soon.
     
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