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Zack T

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I figured we could use a thread for general purpose AEW talk. How many of you are keeping up with AEW? Watched Double or Nothing? Planning to watch Fyter Fest? Fight For The Fallen? All Out? Their weekly TV Show debuting in September?

GOOD NEWS - If you're like me and you don't know who most of these people are, you can go to YouTube and find Cody's youtube channel. It's called Nightmare Family. There you'll find short mini web episodes to build up to each of these events. There's 3 "AEW - The Road To Fyter Fest" episodes so far, each one is about 10 minutes long, so they're fairly bite sized. They show off different people and have stuff to build the story for each match, so you don't go in completely blind. Or you could go in blind, that's fine too, I went in blind on Double Or Nothing and it was awesome.

Fyter Fest is this Saturday, June 29th. All Elite Wrestling is available to all fans located in United States via Bleacher Report Live. Visit AEWonBRLive.com. But if you'd prefer to order through Sky or something, I think it's only going to be like 12 Euros (American keyboards don't have the symbol, I'm sorry). Us 'MERICANS get to watch it for free for sure, though. Suck it UK.

Big matches announced for this one include Jon Moxley (Dean Ambrose) vs Joey Janella, The Elite (Young Bucks + Kenny Omega) vs Lucha Bros (Pentagon & Ray Fenix Jr.) & Laredo Kid, Cody vs Darby Allin, "Hangman" Adam Page vs Jungle Boy vs MJF vs Jimmy Havoc, and Christopher Daniels vs CIMA.

Fight For The Fallen is Saturday, July 13th. FUN FACT - WWE has decided to air EVOLVE's next big event on the WWE Network, marking the first time they've used their network to promote another company. When are they airing that show? Oh...uh...Saturday, July 13th, at the exact same time as AEW's Fight For The Fallen. Huh. Really makes you think...

Big matches announced for this one include Young Bucks vs Cody & Dustin, and it appears to be teasing CIMA vs Kenny Omega, and Brandi (Cody's wife) vs another lady who's name I don't yet know.

All Out is Saturday, August 31st. There is also NXT TakeOver: Cardiff that night, though that was legit booked months and months in advance so I doubt that was intentional, but I also doubt WWE minds.

Big matches announced for this one include Jon Moxley vs Kenny Omega and Chris Jericho vs "Hangman" Adam Page to crown the first ever AEW World Heavyweight Champion.

There will be a big tag team tournament once TV show starts up to crown the first AEW Tag Champs, and they've also announced there will be a Women's title so they'll get that taken care of soon too.


I'm super excited about it. I love learning about these new wrestlers, some of whom I've known about for awhile (Young Bucks, Kenny Omega) but never actually seen wrestle til AEW's Double Or Nothing. I'm SUPER excited for Moxley vs Omega, I love Jon Moxley to death and seeing him with fire in his eyes and the freedom to be who he envisions Jon Moxley to be is thrilling.
 
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Anyone watch Fyter Fest?

Have to admit, I didn't think it was as good as DON, some random comments:

- That was the first time I've seen or heard of Private Party, quite liked them, had some nice moves, good tag team and OK match

- Didn't think much of Allie/Bates

- The Nakazawa/Jebailey batch was TERRIBLE! Had no place being on the show.

- Cima/Daniels was alright, nothing special.

- The 3-way women's match was OK-ish, had some nice moments but a few botches also. Thought that flying knee from Rose looked awesome.

- Four-way: Not quite sure why, but I love the idea of Jungle Boy with Luchasaurus :) MJF really stood out again, think everyone knew Page was winning this one.

- Rhodes/Allin - Can't say I've ever heard of Darby Allin - I found it pretty slow to begin with but I did get more into it as it went on. The coffin drop move was insane! I hope he's not going to be doing stuff like that regularly, really don't want to see anyone hurting themselves seriously just for a quick pop. For anyone that missed it:


Throughout the show I was wondering how long it would be before a match reaches that 20 minute time limit - I didn't think it would be as soon as this show :) By the time the match finished, I wanted to see/hear more from Darby, so that was good however I feel like they could have left out the attack from Shawn Spears. I would have preferred it if they just let the match to settle in, rather than just go straight into Cody's next feud. As has already been reported online, that chairshot was brutal - as I said above, they don't need to be killing themselves for us. I'm not too sure about pushing Shawn so soon also, I think it would have been better to build him up on the roster first.

- The six-man match was OK - I thought the 3 team match from DON was better.

- Moxley/ Janela was brutal - I've never liked it when they use thumbtacks/barbed wire - hate seeing them going through the skin. Was a good brawl but it was obvious Moxley was winning.

Overall, it was OK but there could be a lot of improvement. It seems to be a contrast from DON where this event felt far more adult with some of the dialog/action. I know they might not want to be as PG friendly as WWE but I think they will need to definitely tone it down a little as I can't see them getting many sponsorships/advertisers with content like this. NXT has already proven that you can have a great show with exciting matches/feuds without ever needing to go too extreme. Speaking of which, I hope the talent try and tone it down with the risks also - no need to go crazy!
 

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I watched FyterFest.

One thing to keep in mind is that FyterFest was sort of a "B Show" set up by Kenny Omega with CEO Gaming. Not that it doesn't count, as it did built for future events. But it's not a normal show.

Anyway, I thought commentary was overall better for Fyter Fest than Double Or Nothing. But I think Alex Marvez is kind of boring on commentary. Production snafu's were less than Double Or Nothing as well. I mean stuff like bad camera angles/missing moves and awkward waiting spots between matches. It still happened, but not nearly as much. Improvement. Also, the commentary handled these times way better than Double Or Nothing.

You may not have watched the Road To Fyter Fest episodes Kam, but Private Party talked about being trained by The Amazing Red and they made it seem like Private Party is still pretty new. Obviously they're not brand spanking new given how well they did, but I'm thinking they've only been wrestling a few years at the most. I LOVED that one of them (Name I forgot) kept his sunglasses on for a long time, that was fantastic. Really good solid threeway tag match, and I expected Private Party to pick up an upset win, but Best Friends is good too. I am liking them.

Allie and Liva Bates was fine. Not great, not terrible. Maybe slightly longer than I would've liked, but not by much.

The mockumentary stuff of Omega and the Young Bucks was quite good. I liked that a lot. Felt fresh and funny without being forced.

I disagree with you Kam, I rather enjoyed Nakazawa and Alex Jebailey. You had to know going into that match that it wasn't going to be a 5 star classic, nor was it going to be brutal hardcore like Moxley/Janella was later. It was hardcore to allow them more freedom to hide Alex's lack of ability in the ring, and I felt they did a good job. It was mostly a comedy match and I felt that it served the purpose. That match was also more for the live crowd than the rest of us at home. But I thought it had some great spots, like the thong, the game controller choke, the arcade controller shot, the kiddie pool. Hahehehe.

Daniels and CIMA didn't do much for me, to be honest. It wasn't bad at all, it was a decent wrestling match. But I guess I just wasn't as captivated by it as others may have been. Still, they both performed well and I want to see more of them.

Women's triple threat with Yuka Sakazuki, Riho, and Nyla Rose was surprisingly good. I didn't have high expectations for this, but I think they told a very good story and there was some excellent spots, as well as facial expressions.

I suppose I should've seen Hangman Adam Page winning the 4-way but I honestly didn't expect him to. I expected MJF to win it, pinning Jungle Boy or Jimmy Havoc. I do understand Adam Page winning, he should look like he's on a hot streak as he goes up against Jericho at All Out. Enjoyable match for sure, and MJF IS PURE GOLD on the mic. I'm also ALL IN on Jungle Boy/Luchasaurus connection. That's fantastic.

Darby Allin had a good little promo on the Road To Fyter Fest episodes on youtube, and I had a good feeling about this match headed into it. I actually thought Darby would get the win, but again looking back, it makes total sense why they drew instead. For one, it sets the precedent that these time limits actually do matter and we will see draws from time to time. But also, it's smart booking to let Cody not lose, but not beat Darby in his debut either. Darby shows off his toughness, and man there was some great stuff in this. I feel like it progressively got more intense at a very smart pace and yea that coffin drop trust fall thing was sick, but so was that whip into the turnbuckle where Darby went all sideways and fell outside. I liked Darby's smart offense and that dude is QUICK and nimble as hell. As for the Shawn Spears bit, that chair was reportedly altered so that the seat portion would be softer and not dangerous. The problem was that the backrest portion wasn't altered, and it somehow wrapped around Cody's head to rip up a piece of skin and that's why he bled. OUCH. That attack is also due to the Fyter Fest Road episodes from YouTube, specifically because of Cody calling Shawn "A good hand".

So what I'm saying here is, watch those "Road to ..." things on YouTube, they help paint a full picture for you ;)

I absolutely LOVED the street fighter stuff with Young Bucks and Omega, that was flippin fantastic and unexpected. ROUND 1, FIGHT! I loved the Hadouken spot as well. Some people didn't, but the live crowd certainly did and I popped for it too because again, I didn't see that coming and it was just so appropriate given where the event was. Fantastic match anyway, just pure craziness and Kenny getting the win made sense.

Moxley and Janella was brutal. Not quite as bloody as I expected, thank god. But still very brutal. Not the type of thing we're gonna see too often, especially on their regular weekly TV show I'm sure. But I think it has a place every once in awhile. I think my main complaint with this was that I felt Joey ended up being outclassed too badly by the end of it. He had some good spots, and yea we all expected Moxley to win, but I thought it'd be a situation where Joey still looks like a million bucks. And maybe I'm judging it too harshly, but I felt that while Joey certainly looks like a crazy tough dude, Moxley really dominated him toward the end so much that I didn't think he was even in Moxley's league. Regardless though, real good hardcore match. Also I really appreciated Kenny coming out and beating Moxley down afterward. Made perfect sense and made Kenny look like a badass. Honestly not a fan of Moxley (or any wrestler) doing that whole "hahah I love the pain" smile after a beatdown, at least not so quickly cause he should be unconscious after what Kenny did to him, but that's my main issue with it. Otherwise I loved it.


So overall, not as good as Double Or Nothing, but you really shouldn't have been expecting it to be, given the nature of the show. If I were to rate them, I'd say Double Or Nothing was about 8.5/10 type of show, while FyterFest is more of a 6.5/10. Overall, it's a good show. Like Double Or Nothing, the best parts of it come in the final 3 or 4 matches. But FyterFest's lower card was a little bit weaker than Double Or Nothing. Still worth watching, in my opinion.

2 weeks til Fight For The Fallen, and that should be pretty good. I think it'll be as good or a little better than Fyter Fest, as it's a charity show.

Stay tuned for All Out though, that's gonna be bonkers, I think.
 

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AEW has officially announced their weekly TV Program, Wednesday Night Dynamite, will air 8PM Eastern to 10PM Eastern (THAT'S AMERICAN TIME ZONES YOU WANKERS) on TNT, starting October 2nd.

Fox is looking at potentially airing NXT on Wednesdays on FS1 as well, though it's uncertain whether or not this will happen and if it did, if NXT would be 1 or 2 hours.

WWE is also mentioning that a "re-launch" of the WWE Network will happen sometime in 2019. This is likely going to be them introducing higher costing subscriptions that offer more perks, but no word on what those might be either or exactly when, beyond "2019". My guess is that they'll launch it close to when AEW's weekly show starts to air...and that also coincides with Smackdown beginning to air on Fox.
 

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So...that was ALL OUT.

Random thoughts:

The womens Casino Battle Royale was awful! It felt like many of the wrestlers just got lost in the match, I can't remember how most of them were eliminated. Well...I can't even remember who took part, some of them were on screen for what felt like seconds. The men's one previously was better but to be honest, that wasn't great either.

Private Party impressed again, I really like them. I quite like Angélico and Jack Evans too - AEW definitely have a strong tag division!

Really enjoyed the six-man match - Luchasaurus was amazing, I was surprised Jurassic Express lost but they still looked good in defeat.

Great to see Pac here, since his heel turn in 205 he seems to be unstoppable, good match again, loved that he won too :)

I wasn't too keen on the hardcore match. I don't like staple guns or the idea of feeding someone thumb tacks...then taping their mouth shut! I thought the papercut spots were cringey - it didn't look like there was any contact for some of them...and the paper looked like it was laminated. 0_O O_0

I fully expected Riho to win her match after Rose won the Battle Royale - match was OK.

Was there any reason given for the Star Trek attire for Rhodes and co? MJF could have at least worn black jeans! Pharaoh looked terrified coming out...and then the pyro went off! They could have let him go back, I don't think anyone would have minded. I was expecting MJF to turn on Cody...not yet, but it will happen, we all know it. I don't know how much I like the idea of heels/faces mixing like this. You've got Brandi heeling it up with the women but still comes out with babyface Cody. Same goes for MJF too. I thought this match was good, some nice spots and great to see Arn Anderson. It was a bit weird seeing Tully just walk off before the match ended...I guess he was meant to go after Arn...rather than walking out the other entrance way. I thought Shawn looked OK...I still can't see him main eventing but thought he looked OK.

LOVED the ladder match, I had high expectations for this one and they delivered. I've really enjoyed both teams since I began watching AEW, they always deliver. Great spots/timing from both teams. Oh...and now we have another good tag-team in LAX join the division! :love:

Main event was fine - I thought it went on a little too long though. Did Jericho blade...it looked like he did. I thought Page was OK but I can't quite see him in the main event picture yet.

Overall, a good show. I'm excited for the weekly shows to start!
 

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I must be in the minority because that's a few people and reviews who've said they didn't like the casino battle royale, but I did. I liked it a lot. I thought they did a great job highlighting people. My only complaints against it was the mis-timing where the countdown occurred, but then Nyla Rose was given a few more seconds to eliminate the last person before the next group came down. Also Bhea Priestley's weird no-sell of the press slam she was given was kind of odd. But basically production stuff was my only complaint here - that mistimed countdown, and the missing eliminations due to camera angles (or the awkwardly timed elimination of Awesome Kong). Happy with Nyla Rose winning although I had bet on Britt Baker and that stings.

I LOVE Jack Evans and Angelico and I had hoped they'd win here, but it makes sense for Private Party to be on a roll as they look towards facing the Young Bucks soon. Nice tag match, excellent finish.

Team Dinosaur vs SCU was nice and solid as well, very entertaining. I was also surprised Team Dinosaur lost, but the commentary made the excellent point a few times about SCU's combined experience being basically 3 times what Team Dinosaur has, and that made a big difference for them. But still, they looked good in defeat and everyone's a winner here.

Pac vs Omega was on surprisingly early, but that's alright. Real good psychology in this match, and they told a very believable story in Omega still being too focused on Moxley to properly deal with Pac and it ultimately cost him the match. I bet on Omega to win too, so damn it. But I'm happy, Pac has always been a favorite of mine since I first saw him as Adrian Neville and I'm glad to see him get such a big win.

Triple threat match was great, I thought it had a great mix of hardcore and wrestling. The tape stuff with Jimmy Havoc was excellent when complete, but they had some trouble executing it and that hurt the presentation. I also wish they'd have shown us Havoc breaking free of the taped chair, but all we saw was Darby dive on to Havoc and he was suddenly out of the chair. Regardless, sick bumps and brutality, I dug it. I had bet on Darby Allin to win this one, Jimmy Havoc winning was a bit out of left field for me.

Riho and Hikaru Shida was solid as well, I also bet on Riho (Especially with Nyla Rose winning). I'm not sure who'll be the first women's champion, but I lean towards Nyla Rose.

Cody and Shawn Spears was excellent. No reason was given for the Star Trek cosplay, I assume it was done simply because it'd be different and cool. Not sure why DDP was there instead of Dustin, but ok. I did feel bad for Pharoah, poor dog was very freaked out. But at least he didn't have to stay at ringside for the match, and the cameras did a good job of not putting him on screen too much during the entrance. Clearly MJF will turn on Cody someday, but I expect a slow burn on that. The duality of Brandi and MJF's heel/face stuff is interesting too, but I'd prefer they figure that out and make them 1 or the other.

Young Bucks vs Lucha Bros was excellent. There were rumors before the show that Ray Fenix was hurt, something about his leg and him barely working other shows leading up to this. I think there may have been something to that, as there were 2 or 3 spots Fenix did during the match where he seemed to pause for just a half of a second before leaping into whatever he was doing. He nailed it every time, he even slipped on rope walks and still managed to salvage it, so he handled himself. But yea, this was quite bonkers. I picked Lucha Bros to win and I'm glad they did. I love the Bucks but I figure they want to focus on the AEW tag titles for right now. I assume the Lucha Bros are probably gonna take the AAA tag titles back there, lose them, and hopefully come back to AEW full time.

Adam Page and Chris Jericho was good. I wasn't expecting it to be match of the year quality, but I knew it'd be solid work and it was. Great story telling, some blood, and Jericho ultimately used his experience to beat the much younger and undisputedly better physical specimen of Adam Page. That Judas Effect he nailed was the first one that looked really really good, looked like he knocked Adam Page right out with that. Those rolling forearms were sick too. I do suspect Jericho bladed for that first one, given how he rolled outside and was completely off camera for a good 15 seconds or so. But that's ok with me, honestly. I don't want anyone going into crimson mask territory like Dustin did at Double or Nothing, but a little blood here and there adds a nice touch.

Overall, really solid show. Commentary was miles better having Goldenboy instead of Alex Marvez on there. Production was overall pretty good, the only bumps in that sticking out to me were from the battle royale. I can nitpick a few camera shots here and there (Like Isaiah Kassidy diving to the outside and posing wasn't caught very well during Private Party vs Evans/Angelico). But mostly, good show. Also it was really great that the Chicago crowd boo'd the heels (mostly) and cheered the faces (mostly). And believe it or not, not a single CM Punk chant all night! How about that. I guess all you need to do to avoid CM Punk chants is put on a show that's predominantly good. Who'd of guessed...
 

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The commentators make a big difference and this PPV was better without Alex Marvez! They need a good backstage interviewer though. Jericho would be great at it should he ever stop wrestling.
I wasn't too keen on the hardcore match. I don't like staple guns or the idea of feeding someone thumb tacks...then taping their mouth shut!
Yeah, that's me too. Sometimes ROH goes too extreme and I thought this match took it even further. I thought the laminated paper was just its glossy finish. It's funny that we both noticed it. No one else saw it in my house, so I appreciate knowing that I'm not the only one.
 
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The only wrestlers I really know are Jericho, Kenny Omega, Britt, The Young Bucks, Page, MJF, Moxley (who looks oddly bloated), and the Rhodes crew. That makes it harder for me to feel invested, but I know that just takes time. The women seem tougher than the WWE gals for the most part, but other than Britt and Brandi, it's hard to differentiate between them. I REALLY want to like AEW and I want the promotion to succeed, but it's just a tad goofy.

I hope Renee Young doesn't follow Moxley. She would be okay for interviewing the wrestlers backstage, but I'm not a fan when she's on the commentary team. I hate to say that though, since she was the first female to join WWE's commentary team and sometimes she does well.
 

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That's how I started with AEW too, at Double or Nothing. But 4 shows later, I'm feeling fairly familiar with most everyone. Weekly TV will help speed that along too.
 
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Alex Marvez reminds me of Art Donovan when he did the commentary for King of the Ring. I was a young lad then and I still remember how terrible it went! How Donovan didn't know anything about the wrestlers or the sport at all. I mean at all! He kept asking ridiculous questions to Randy Savage, who was doing his best to help Donovan and smooth things over. But yeah, it was pretty clear that Marvez didn't watch wrestling and unlike Donovan, he didn't seem interested in learning more about it. I'm glad he's been replaced. Both were cast in their roles to lend some legitimacy to wrestling entertainment I guess, but if you're not into it the fans will know. I can handle Renee Young and usually enjoy her remarks. Sometimes she stumbles but she comes across as a genuine longtime fan of pro wrestling which helps a lot.
 

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I REALLY want to like AEW and I want the promotion to succeed, but it's just a tad goofy.
I like the goofiness of AEW if goofy is the word we're using. I find it charming. The promotion seems more unscripted which I enjoy. It comes across as though the wrestlers get to develop their character as they choose. At least for now.
 
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